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11/19/11
To what extent did the market revolution effect politics, econoimcsd, social relationships, reform between 1815 and 1860.
Mark: increased ec instability, adds larger working class and unions – more tension between classes
Christian – not more tension, just more classes added, propel moderately wealthy could use it to increase their wealth 10 fold – so not so much about tension
Jake – agrees with Mark – perpetuated through situation with 2nd National bank – conflict betw 2 separate groups of capitalists – ones from Phila and NY – old wealth and new wealth – refers to Kezirian
Mike – How did second Natonal bank show difference in classes?
Mark: clarification of question
Jake = ideals of New Yorkers – meant to comply with market rev, Phila – more conservative – didn’t like what growth was doing (??)
Justin – eastern capitalists – accelerate economic change, affected banking, credit – market revolution created industrial growth caused detachment between producers and consumers – more mass production, not as much personal experience
Tess – more of a middle man showing up – not the direct relationship
Teacher intervenes
Mark – factory owners making the most money, not as much home production; skewing income, making less than factory owners, wealth controlled by smaller number of poel
Cara – distr of wealth – not so even, slaves and Indians left out
Jeremiah – more people are broke – bigger farmers squeeze out smaller farmers;
Mark – immigrants change things
Leah – say that again –
Mark – more competition from immigrants – Irish and Germna – farmers go to urban areas
Christian prices undercut
Justin – farmers, artisans, laborers – growing detachment – relationship with consumers important, mass
Chloe: Producers v. consumers – are thes ec or social rel
Tess G Both economic and social
Jake – as the gap widens, damages social relationships – economy of the class is directly related to that. – forced to have American made goods, 1828 tariff
Leah –tension – producers and consumers – south are consumers, pay more for goods – animosity toward producers and manufacturers
Christian – conflict betw producers, consumers and federal gov who is setting the taxes – more conflict between strong producers and weak producers
Leah – producers keep prices higher –
Intervention by teacher about prices
Matt – England is purposely undercutting
Mike – if English can produce for such a low price why can’t US produce for lower?
Chr — Egnland is small country. Lots of rr, cheap stuff from India,
Mark: Labor unions – making laborers have better conditions; have tension with merchant capitalists
Jake – Amrican attempts to set themselves apart from Great Britain
Fisher: Labor costs answers the question of – with a fist pump for the correct answer
Luke – unions – demand reform – comes from Second Great Awakening – personal responsibility – you can control your destiny, fix low wages
Charlotte – celebration of self improvement – where does tha fit in these categories?
L:uke –starts as social and effects economy of the US made labor costs higher, goods more expensive. . .
Nolan – shift to specialized farms –
Becky – mr big factor in creating specialized farms because they could produce a lot more efficiently – mr plays huge role
Nolan – Also impacts social relationships – better technology for farms, need fewer workers, some without jobs – what to do??
Mohammad – can get stuff – oops I missed this comment
Linh – advances in tsp help stimulate the economy – better access to goods at a lower cost
Mohammed – people abusing the system – vendue system – alcoholics abuse the system?
Juan – is a good thing – enables northeast to develop
Others could move to produce
Poor farms developed – gave them op to start fresh, get a new way of life
Jake – pros and cons, great advances in tech – great expansion in gap betw rich and poor
Colin – bad – people who do all the work – non producers invest and got wealthy – producers not paid for what they were doing
David – positive and negative – north benefits more than south – like with tariffs
Charlotte – social and economic – how didit change politics
Juan – affected by politics – focused ideas of laws – help wealthy or help poor
Chloe – wants to move the conversation
Juan – social for women
Luke: Gov starts to regulate where it doesn’t need to – factory owners abusing labor – the Bank
Juan – AJ saw democracy – gave people a voice except Indians and blacks, – big step to letting other white males vote.
Justin – lot of effects on women – gorwing middle class – conrfined to the home – working as housekeepers – many want to get away from that – no women’s colleges til late 1840s ; good economic effects, puts women in bad position
Mark – women were making cloth as the factory production – women are taken out of that process – social role is wiped out
Christian – women are in factories –
Juan – industrial
John – How does Thoreau’s change things
Christian – mr makes people mean, detrimental, worse people – greed,
Jake: people are dependent on industry –
Justin – individual self realization – no conformity – doesn’t like this; resist conformity, develop yourself, respond to your own instincts. You are the one who can find out who you are – work toward your own personality – strength of individual –
Jkae is pushing them – about second great awakening
Jake – spirituality comes from connection with nature not organized the
Chloe – Thre Great Outdoors!!
Christian? North is banning slavery – labor union s
Jakes – factory girls about wages being cut
